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Projects that accept fair use
* Wikipedia: alsarbarbnbebe-taraskcaeleneteofafifrfrrhehrhyidisitjalbltlvmkmsptroruslsrthtrttukvizh+/−

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Current requests

Images were published after 2015, expiration of posthumous copyright protection of photographer after death, or before 1954. Overly hypothetical doubts by now-banned user who made many overzealous deletion requests. Kges1901 (talk) 18:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose As I noted in the DR, these are either under URAA copyright, as are all Russian images published after 1942, or, if unpublished until recently, are under copyright in Russia. In either case we cannot keep them. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:16, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We usually assume that old works were published at the time of creation, unless evidence says otherwise. If I understood correctly, the author was a reporter for RIAN, so I see no reason to assume that these pictures were not published at the time. The first file in the list, File:Сессия Верховного Совета СССР первого созыва (2).jpg, is dated 1938. That may not be sufficient for all images, but it seems OK for this one. Yann (talk) 20:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Troshkin was a reporter for the newspaper Izvestiya, and his photographs were published at the time in Izvestiya, Krasnaya Zvezda, and other papers. --Kges1901 (talk) 20:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Carl Lindberg also made an interesting argument about the country of origin. If these newspapers were distributed in the Soviet Union, they were simultaneously published in all successor nations, and that under the Berne Convention, the shorter term applies. Yann (talk) 20:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These newspapers were distributed across the entire Soviet Union, not just on the territory of the RSFSR. In any case, the definition of publication under Russian copyright law is that the back of the photograph was marked by the artist in the appropriate way, which for war photographs implies that it passed through censorship processes and could be published. Since most of these photographs are not taken from the photographer's negatives, it is reasonable to assume that they were marked on the back, and recently digitized images appeared on the internet after 2014, when the posthumous publication copyright term expired. Kges1901 (talk) 20:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Carl Lindberg is not sole in such assumption. But this is just assumption so far, it is not supported by court decisions (of 12-15 post-Soviet states) or jurisprudential literature (as I have known on today, I continue to seek it, to confirm or refute it). As I see such questions in court decisions (of several post-Soviet states) or jurisprudential literature - the concrete Soviet republic is place of publishing (because, the civil legislation was on republican level) or the RF is place of publishing, even if work was published outside of the RSFSR (as USSR-successor on union level). Alex Spade (talk) 10:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure there is any test case over the Berne definition of "country of origin". The question would not come up internally for Russian law or that of the old republics, most likely. It would only matter in a country outside those which implement the rule of the shorter term, and over a work which that question may be involved. Not sure I know of any, anywhere. But, the Berne Convention is pretty specific in its definition when it comes to works simultaneously published in multiple countries, and that is the definition that Commons follows. Of course, the Soviet Union was not a member, though most all subsequent countries are now. One complication is the U.S. status -- the definition of "source country" for the URAA would follow different logic than Berne, the country of "greatest contacts with the work", which would be Russia. Russia was 50pma on the URAA date, but I think had some wartime extensions, which I think push these over the line, such that only ones published before 1929 (or created before 1904, if unpublished) would be PD in the U.S., regardless of current status in Russia, or the country of origin (if different). Carl Lindberg (talk) 19:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not know such cases (on the Berne definition) too, but in the Russian copyright legislation there are 3 criterions of copyrightability - (1) the Russian territory (the territory of the Russian Federation (the RSFSR previously, not the USSR) since Nov.7, 1917 to today) in the borders on the date of publication, (2) the Russian citizenship on the date of publication, and (3) international treaties.
Moreover, there is similar situation with reports of telegraph agencies or press-releases- they are reported/released worldwide formally, but the country indicated in report/release is the country of origin (some reports/releases have two of more indicated countries). Alex Spade (talk) 22:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right -- the Berne country of origin pretty much never applies to internal works, or even most situations involving foreign works. The specific definition in Berne pretty much only matters if a country is applying the rule of the shorter term for a foreign work to have lesser protection than their own works normally do; the Berne definition would have to be used in that case to determine the country, since that is in the treaty. In pretty much any other situation, more sensical definitions can be used (which even the US did, with the URAA -- the "source country" there is pretty much the same thing, but differs quite a bit once it comes to simultaneous publication). But however nonsensical it seems, Commons uses the Berne definition, since that should control when works expire in many countries (even if that virtually never comes up in a court case to test it). Carl Lindberg (talk) 01:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another aspect to consider is how publication is defined. For example, in this academic article about Russian copyright law, it is stated that an author, transferring a work to another by agreement, gives consent to publication, and thus the work can be considered published. This means that if Troshkin transferred his negatives to his employer (Izvestiya), the works would be legally considered published. Since all photos in question are of a professional nature, there is no reason to assume that Troshkin kept any of these photographs in his personal possession and did not transfer them to his employer. Considering this, then all of his photos would have been legally published when he transferred them to his employer, that is, definitely before his death in 1944, and all these photographs would be firmly public domain. Kges1901 (talk) 08:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Term publication (обнародование or опубликование in Russian, and these are two different term in the Russian copyright) is defined in the paragraph one and two of part 1 of article 1268 of the Civil Code. Consent to publication is not publication (right for exercise of some action is not action). And mentioned resent discussion on the Ru-Wiki for orphan works (where I was the main speaker) does not matter for Troshkin's works - author of photos (Troshkin) is known. Alex Spade (talk) 09:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    At the same time if there is a source for original of photo and its reverse side, and such original (reverse side) is marked by author name and a year, then this year can be considered as year of publication according to the last paragraph of article 475 of the Soviet Russian Civil Code. Alex Spade (talk) 09:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • In terms of copyright I am specifically discussing the nuances of обнародование because the term contains a broader meaning than simply опубликование, and the expiration of copyright (if work is posthumously published) is calculated from обнародование and not опубликование of a work – regarding photographs, that public display of a work counts as обнародование while not опубликование in the strict sense, therefore opening broader possibilities for the release of a work during Troshkin's lifetime.
Regarding originals, another aspect is that at least some of Troshkin's photographs were sent into TASS and copyright thus transferred to TASS, falling under PD-Russia under the TASS aspect. For example this photograph was marked on the back with TASS copyright stamp even though Troshkin was an Izvestiya correspondent.
In any case presence of markings on the back is the most hopeful approach to this problem of posthumous copyright since any photograph/negative with a description had to have been marked on the back with a caption and name of the author, since Troshkin's photographs presumably entered into a centralized group of photographs cleared for publication, as his photographs were not just published in Izvestiya, but in Krasnaya Zvezda, Vechernyaya Moskva, other newspapers, and books (for example a large quantity of his photographs taken during the Battle of Khalkhin Gol appeared in this 1940 book without mention of his name. Secondly finding an exact date for negatives such as this example would have been impossible if there was no marking on the back. The fact that exact dates taken are available for negatives indicates that they were also marked in some way with captions, dates and names of author. Examples of such author name and year markings on the back of a Troshkin photograph include [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. Kges1901 (talk) 13:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, обнародование is wider than опубликование, but the fact (and the date) of обнародование must be proved (for example for some painting "This painting was created in 1923 and was shown on ZYX-art exhibition in 1925, see reference link").
  • Yes, if photowork is marked by TASS (no matter by TASS only or by TASS+name_of_real_photograph), this photowork is TASS-work. Alex Spade (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undeletion of individual photographs

Russian department awards

Please, restore deleted Russian department awards and close (as keep) similar current DR. Alex Spade (talk) 09:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closed DR discussions

Current DR discussions

Yes, they are not state awards, but they are state symbols ({{PD-RU-exempt}}) indeed - symbols, which are established by state authorities, which design (including both text description and visual representation) are established (which design are integral part of) in respective official documents of state government agencies (the Russian official documents are not just texts), which are subjects of the en:State Heraldic Register of the Russian Federation (point 3 subpoint 4). Alex Spade (talk) 09:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Question Any opinion about this? Yann (talk) 18:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion it would be crucial here to know if the documents granting awards and awards themsetves are official (i.e. if they have legal basis).  Support if yes,  Oppose if not (unless we have knowledge that Russian courts interpret the word official differently), and COM:PCP if unsure. Without extra information it is the third option. If they are issued and granted just basing on an internal decision of the organization, then they are not official (IMO). Ankry (talk) 15:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, department order for decoration of someone(s) by department award(s), наградной лист (award paper), and наградная книжка (award card) for department awards are official documents of administrative characters. Same as for state awards. Alex Spade (talk) 09:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two ConventionExtension screenshots

These files was speedily deleted as copyright violations. I was originally going to request undeletion on the basis of them being screenshots of free software (i.e., {{MediaWiki screenshot}}); annoyingly, though, the Git repository of the MediaWiki extension that they're screenshots of doesn't appear to contain a license statement of any kind. However, I noticed that the account that uploaded these files (Chughakshay16) is the same account that developed the extension in the first place (see mw:User:Chughakshay16/ConventionExtension, git:mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension/+log) - therefore, even if this extension's code isn't freely licensed, Chughakshay16 would nevertheless have the ability and authority to release screenshots of the results of their own programming under a free license (as they did when they uploaded the files in question to Commons); and these freely-licensed screenshots are therefore not copyvios.

At User talk:Moheen#Screenshot of conference extension deleted?, the deleting admin mentioned that the files were tagged as likely belong[ing] to Cisco Webex; however, I didn't see anything that would indicate that Cisco holds a copyright over this extension's code (or that would prohibit the code's author from being able to freely license screenshots of its results).

All the best, --A smart kitten (talk) 11:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Question Any opinion about this? Yann (talk) 18:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment The author of the extension has likely licensed it under the GPL, based on the Mediawiki page they created. Although the page was edited by an anonymous IP address, I suspect that this IP belonged to the author at the time, as it has also made edits to this user subpage. - Anwon (talk) 19:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose I don't see how a screenshot of software that has been abandoned for a decade and was never widely used is even in Commons' scope, compare Commons:Deletion requests/File:ViewWikitext.png, Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Tobias Weller, etc. * Pppery * it has begun... 06:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

those files deleted as no FoP in Georgia but they are just graffiti. I think that COM:GRAFFITI applies. Template {{Non-free graffiti}} should be added as well. We have a lot's of them in Category:Non-free graffiti. -- Geagea (talk) 13:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment Documentation of Template:Non-free graffiti states: "Note that this template doesn't have enough help on the undeletion requests, deleted files are unlikely to be restored just because of the potential application of this tag.". Günther Frager (talk) 18:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that's not just because the template. The template is only for information. The deletion rational was no FoP in Georgia. But it is not FoP issue. I linked COM:GRAFFITI and we have a lots of files in Category:Non-free graffiti. -- Geagea (talk) 18:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose But Georgia does not have FOP anyway. Also, these are murals by unknown artists, not just text or tags. Thuresson (talk) 18:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So graffiti is a FoP case? If FoP in Georgia will be ok than the graffiti also ok? Aren't they in temporarily exhibition by definition. If they just a case of FoP it's not very clear in COM:GRAFFITI. -- Geagea (talk) 20:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For better or worse, we have allowed photos of illegal graffiti by policy regardless of FoP laws -- but we prefer using the FoP tags, or PD tags, if those apply rather than relying on that rationale. If this looks like "legal graffiti", i.e. murals, then we should not allow it. Carl Lindberg (talk) 23:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion the logo of the school was a composition of text and the heraldic symbol of the Kanton of Zurich, which is used in every publication (e.g. https://www.zh.ch/de.html) As I understand it, heraldic symbols of Swiss entities governed by law ("öffentlich-rechtliche Körperschaften") are Public Domain.--Rocky187 (talk) 06:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Info Creative compilation of free images can still be copyrighted. Unsure. Any opinion? Ankry (talk) 13:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose peer,"©2024 Kanton Zürich" tiene copyright AbchyZa22 (talk) 12:43, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please restore the following pages:

Reason: It is a new logo of https://www.sports.ru/ Christinemock (talk) 10:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

logo on https://www.sports.ru/ appears to be a really simple text logo. RZuo (talk) 18:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose Policy requires that an authorized official of the entity owning the copyright must send a free license using VRT. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak  Support:In my opinion the logo is a too simple ,its a {{PD-textlogo}}. AbchyZa22 (talk) 17:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done - simple logo, not eligible for copyright, even by a low threshold such as Russias. Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 18:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per Commons:Village_pump/Copyright/Archive/2022/05#So_when_exactly_do_films_go_into_the_PD_in_Germany? which concludes that this specific film fell into the public domain in 2020 rather than the previously-calculated 2028. --Belbury (talk) 15:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Info I see no such conclusion there. I see doubts whether it is 2020 or 2029. Ankry (talk) 15:48, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case I'll let the discussion I opened in haste at Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Nosferatu run, if this question was insufficiently resolved. The pump discussion I link to above was used as a rationale for removing a "do not upload until 2028" warning template on Category:Nosferatu, and the subsequent upload of the full film at File:Nosferatu (1922, English titles 1947).webm. Belbury (talk) 16:21, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I recall that German films are unusual in that while the whole film would be PD, individual frames would still be protected until 70 years after the death of the cinematographer, so 2029 would be correct here. @Rosenzweig: Abzeronow (talk) 16:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The copyright of the film itself is calculated by the last to die (70 years pma) of the four persons mentioned in the 1995 EU directive: director, screen writer, dialogue writer, composer of film music. As I learned from Pajz in Commons:Deletion requests/File:Greta-Garbo-and-Jaro-Furth-in-the-film-Joyless-Street-1925-142462321702.jpg, a single frame of the film is however treated differently than the film itself: it is a work of the cinematographer. And apparently one of the cinematographers for this film was Fritz Arno Wagner, who died in 1958. Hence undeletion in 2029 (not 2028). This was discussed before, see Commons:Undeletion requests/Archive/2023-03#File:NosferatuShadow.jpg. --Rosenzweig τ 17:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose See Rosenzweig's comment and the previous UDR. It may seem paradoxical, but that's how it is: The movie as a whole is now in the public domain in Germany, too (since 2020), but individual frames / still images from the movie are not; undeletion in 2029. Gestumblindi (talk) 09:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:La moneda de plata que destella (the gleaming silver coin).jpg File:The gleaming silver coin (la moneda de plata que destella).jpg The original coin is copyright free so this must be undeleted inmediately because here in commons we have original photos of the coin https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CalAzteca1kg_anverso.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CalAzteca1kg_reverso.jpg The New Foxy (talk) 23:12, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aafi: so more information on the VRT ticket can be provided. The assertation that the coin is copyright free is false however. Abzeronow (talk) 23:21, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is copyright free because the original coin has a free license The New Foxy (talk) 23:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep this request open until later in the evening. I will come back with a detailed comment then. Regards, Aafi (talk) 10:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Abzeronow: The ticket should not be applied to any other files except: File:Seguridad200.jpg, File:Seguridad100.jpg, File:CalAzteca1kg anverso.jpg, File:CalAzteca1kg reverso.jpg, File:Reportesistemafinanciero.JPG, File:Informetrimestralinflacion.JPG, File:Revisionbillete.jpg, File:Guillotinabillete.jpg, File:Fabricacion de billete Banco de Mexico.jpg, File:Banxicolye.jpg, File:ACC-20Foto 20-01.jpg, File:Banco de Mexico.jpg. These files are licensed under GFDL and CC-BY-SA licenses (all versions). Let me know if you need any further assistance (from the ticket). Regards, Aafi (talk) 04:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Это моё изображение! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arseniy Shelby (talk • contribs) 12:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose This is a shot though the windshield of a car. Nothing is really visible except the heads-up instruments. There is a cross the road sign that is barely visible and completely unreadable that presumably advertises the sausage festival. No educational value. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


 Not done: as per Эlcobbola. --Yann (talk) 18:33, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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File in Question: File:Shellenberger2024.jpg

Reason for request: Another Wikipedia user manually requested the removal of the file Shellenberger2024, which served as Michael Shellenberger's primary photo on his respective Wikipedia page biography. Although the copyright information was included with the file upload in addition to a source link citing the copyright status (Creative Commons—free for reuse), the file was still deleted after I contested the deletion.

Link to photo and copyright status: https://environmentalprogress.org/founder-president

--MysticMagpie (talk) 19:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would another admin restore the file and put this on Deletion requests for a proper discussion? Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 20:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being discussed at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Shellenberger2024.jpg. King of ♥ 20:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am so sad that File:Парин Борис Васильевич.jpg has been deleted. I scanned it from paper photo which was photographed by my father (died now). No permission is needed to publish and spread this file — Preceding unsigned comment added by Histol (talk • contribs) 09:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This photo of my father (died now). I photographed it and then scanned this photo from paper photo. No any permission is needed to publish and spread this photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Histol (talk • contribs) 09:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose You need permission from the photographer to distribute her or his photos. Thuresson (talk) 13:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Wikimedians,

This photo documents a quiet protest allowed by the Municipality of Amsterdam, the Netherlands, against an unfortunate and inappropriate refusal - no reasons given - by chapter Wikimedia Netherlands (WMNL) to let an active good-faith Wikimedian respectfully join a Wikimedia workshop - there are no complaints about his behaviour. Yes, the subject is awkward, but at Wikimedia Commons we document other protests as well impartially. We should not make the mistake of censorship made by dictatorships around the world. (Obviously, this photo should not have been nominated for deletion in the first place.)

So this is actually not specifically a personal file, and nobody can be harassed or harmed by this factual photo, there being no defamation (reasons mentioned in the Deletion request). (In fact, i myself was of course harassed by the refusal, forgiveness is the right attitude? But moral considerations one way or the other do not detract from the historical value of the photo, and should not unnecessarily be invoked).

(The photo also depicts a 2024 "Amsterdam moment" of protest, the city that for many centuries boasts as much freedom as feasible for its people and visitors. The Dutch philosopher Spinoza praised Amsterdam for this characteristic in his treatise Tractatus Theologico-Politicus (1670).)

  • So please undelete this photo, which is important for the history of Wikimedia in the Netherlands. It depicts objectively a frequently occurring situation there, so is useful.

Thank you for considering this request, Hansmuller (talk) 10:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The author has the permission to use the image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amisal (talk • contribs) 13:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]